Sunday, 22 January 2017

My Kingdom Come is Biology and Psychology 101



Voices of My Celestial Family (parts 1 to 4)
https://youtu.be/57EatvPG2ks


Our family voice and blood heritage of a terrestrial as celestial mother and father (and child) biology and psychology is our First Estate or an Estate of the First Order by every organ of a flow of pleasure symbiotic with the flow of our life and all life, by every provision for the home temple for our intellect, emotions and every kind of home we wish to conceive of with the most efficient use of our bodies and minds as possible.

Let me tell you a story.

The extent that I believe astronomers or astrologers is to the extent to which they have something to say about the names and habits of the stars. They lose me with anything more esoteric than that.

Astronomers of old may well have told stories of the stars and of our "star family" heritage of sorts, that of star brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers that are our mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters.

Also See The Three Astronomers (an Allegory)

Every organ of our sexual, ethical, emotional, mental and celestial temple, body, communion, development and coordination (or restoration), of the very most holy language or Bible of our lives were all part of our First Estate. Use your imagination.

My kingdom come is Biology (and Psychology) 101 that of the preeminent horizon of each the First Estate of our family heritage, voices, stories and celestial biology an horizon the genesis and consummation of any knowledge worthy of the name, the horizon of the genesis, language and nature of the human mind, of our birth and life and death, of our voices and those of our ancestors or star families.


- See My Kingdom Come is Biology and Psychology 101





My life is like a Holy Bible haunted by the ghosts
A mother and a father as Celestial as Dawn
Upon the whole Horizon my biology and those
Dimensions harried by the merchants churches of our gods
Who march as though they don't impose upon the march of life
That flows as well as our own pleasure body, mind and sex
Whose letters bleed with every season organs Paradise
Occluded from Come Holy stories of our life and death
Spelled for the safety and the pleasure all the world a blight
Upon the holy blood a child's voice and story bleeds
These reaches of a mother and a father spoke as might
A mother's very body all that body lives and breathes
Across the gulf the pulse transforming every organ makes
Its moats and bridges, leagues and measures of conception cups
Of all the senses of the Soul a feast and famine sates
Its measures from these pleasures written in (the genesis and destiny) the Bible of our blood
The chapel and the inner sanctum of Her body His
A building pressure all the measures pleasures of His blood and water run
The swelling Sun the shimmer cosmic amniotic waters of Her limpid breasts
A body growing just to serve a Holy Temple's cynosure the One
Who mingled with Her juices currents of their every breath
And east and west electric rivers charges stars and tips
Of fingers, lips and senses the perfume the boundless reaches life and sex
Would fill and be filled by that dawning God and Goddess song and knowledge from the very lips
Of Eve and Adam thrones of crowns of stories in the stars
Our Mothers, Fathers gardens stories voices beating speaking of the congress and the consummation that is ours.











Following Taken from

Lending An Ear or Bending A Knee - A Living School




Rayn Gryphon
NappaTheProducer Nobody who knew anything about life would lecture to intellectual subordinates who are under the yoke of loans and looming social taboos about not being sufficiently indoctrinated in order to be sufficiently successful receptacles for the continued extraction and mass incredulous animation by every flag of the corporate extraction of human capital in perpetuity, flattering and baffling their surviving autonomous cognitive function with a promise of liberty mired in pathological self-hatred come customary insults to and humiliation of one's blood heritage and voice in living creative intelligence and native celestial family psychology in a society as religiously as scientifically kept poised upon a bloody brink of perpetual near collapse veritably at war with every natural instinct with which a child is born and to which we force our most vulnerable citizenry to conform under only the most Herculean duress, duress that could not possibly fail to stymie the courage and whole brain development of the most battle-hardened combat soldier, let alone that of a wee child.

Very early in our young lives as children and as human beings, we learn at a cellular and emotional level that we cannot entirely meaning we cannot trust the people upon whom we depend and whom we basically have to trust and as though we can trust most at any and every subsequently holy degree for all that holy means having to do with the ultimate or whole nature of our life and thought and pleasure or not in and of ourselves as we spell and dissemble with our every generation of breath the very language of our lives and minds, of our living creative intelligence and blood heritage. This sends every human child into a certain ring of whatever hell is real. And these early gods and goddesses, holy fathers and mothers, never wish to talk to us about this and often even demonstrate a violent aversion to doing so should we even appear to be a moderately reasonable and ethically-discriminating if truly loving spirit. So for all intents and purposes they die and we die, are orphaned and aborted by the very people who subsequently adopt us into as we adopt and even wholly incorporate into our body their language and their family as though we owe them our very lives and minds or what is left of them in order to "pay down the debt (Dead)."

So go figure that the world is as fucked up as it is and so many people so completely convinced that they are going to save it from themselves in the name of every narcotic religion, spirituality and science of the hatred of our mothers and fathers and their mothers and fathers and theirs for as long as suns have risen and set on this world and the next, on and of the wholly symbiotic biological and celestial realms of ourselves.


Axiom 880 - End Game However Felicitous Science, Religion & Spirituality


How could we ever allow our own children to believe that the language of their very lives (of their voice of their blood heritage in living creative intelligence here and hereafter), of their every birth, death, desire, sorrow, anger and laughter, was not the most holy and most scientific language that ever existed or would ever exist?

As successful as it is, modern civilization is the resounding answer to that question, and whether we like it or not.
 




Quoting from related article:

Truth, Jung, Atheism and Institutionalized Philosophers (Harris, Peterson)


Rayn Gryphon
7asano5 Agreed. Peterson has the mind of a little boy convinced he can make the world the way he wants it. He is a religious demagogue.




Deborah Robinson
Rayn Gryphon if you are such an outstanding intellect as to see Peterson's mind as that of a little boy, then we really need you to run the world and cure all disease and determinethe nature of existence for us if you have time, many thanks
 




Rayn Gryphon
Deborah Robinson That is where you both miss and make my point. For it does not take an outstanding intellect but an honest appraisal that does not suffer or benefit from being emotionally invested in a given personality who offers the prospect of fixing a world that cannot be fixed by anyone who retains the capacity to honestly appraise the world.

QED

One cannot both fix the world and understand it. The former always apes the latter.

And so to the very degree anyone tries to better the world (the premise of all cults of personality) one demonstrates a lack of capacity or willingness to understand the world, a lack quite in keeping with a Cybernetic-industrial society that succeeds in insinuating itself into and so gaining the god like animation of people of all faiths in direct proportion to its ability in ours to exhort generations of hapless people that they can fix the world - a narcotic delusional psychosis.





Mike Hill
Rayn Gryphon why do you think changing the world and understanding it are at odds? Bacon said knowledge is power.




Rayn Gryphon
+Mike Hill
Simple, Mike. Because anybody who understands the world would never try to fix it, nor retain the delusion that one should or could.

Our physics religion says that one cannot know the vector (velocity) and position of a subatomic particle at the same time.

Surely is it no more esoteric a challenge to accept the obvious - that nobody has ever done anything but make the world more doomed every way they have attempted to fix it. People with that most adamant of delusions are, in fact, as essential as gold to the whole of a cybernetic-industrial society, none of whom ever wish to understand the world because to do so were to be struck a mortal blow to (and thus have to listen to the voices of) one's whole family, a sword inscribed with the as though holy words, "Save the world from yourself."

People who try or allow other people to think they are making the world a better place are the most violent rapists of families, and all the more so because they are convinced in the authority of their god and their goodness.


"Let us be clear about one thing: ideals and ethics are important in politics as norms, but they are scarcely effective as techniques. The successful statesman is an artist, concerned with nuances of public mood, approximations of operative motives, guesswork as to the tactics of his opponents, back-breaking work in unifying his own side by compromise and concession. Religious reformers have often succeeded in bringing public morale closer to some ethical norm; they have never succeeded as statesmen. Even in the theocracies of Savonarola in Florence, Cromwell and Puritans in England, our own New England colonies, the men of God, when they came to power, learned to play the game of power. The only difference between them and others is that, since they had a certitude of having a pipeline to God, they did not have to reckon at all with the uneasy factor of their conscience. The most destructive imperialisms of the world have been those of men who have elevated their preferences to the pinnacle of moral imperatives and who have then confidently proceeded to impose those imperatives on others."

Max Lerner, Introduction to Niccolò Machiavelli's The Prince and The Discourses, Random House, 1950, page xliv


“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)




"It now only remains to us to speak of the ecclesiastical principalities, with regard to which the difficulties lie wholly before they are possessed. They are acquired either by ability or by fortune; but are maintained without either, for they are sustained by ancient religious customs, which are so powerful and of such quality, that they keep their princes in power in whatever manner they proceed and live. These princes alone have states without defending them, have subjects without governing them, and their states, not being defended, are not taken from them; their subjects not being governed do not resent it, and neither think nor are capable of alienating themselves from them. Only these principalities, therefore, are secure and happy. But as they are upheld by higher causes, which the human mind cannot attain to, I will abstain from speaking of them; for being exalted and maintained by God [??], it would be the work of a presumptuous and foolish man to discuss them..."

- Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince, Chapter XI, 16th century 
 Quote at Quotes On Mass Psychological Compliance








Sergio Montserrat (Puntox)
Rayn Gryphon Nice wall of text, pal.
It's a shame you try to win arguments by copying and pasting large paragraphs instead of typing them concisely.

Now, I guess the University doesn't mind much, since other Us have posted entire courses in their sites and haven't gone out of business.
Having a course or two online can pique interest and attract potential students. So, that's free advertisement.




Rayn Gryphon
Sergio Montserrat Text does require some effort to read. I am afraid that, your personal objections to one side, nobody has yet found a way around this.



[To add to that, the subject becomes hopelessly dependent upon any even mere suggestion of an authority upon whom to hang their sense of reality, an authority that arbitrates for what is true or false without any mediating influence from one's own cognitive faculties.

[Most people take most of their mental universe on faith (or by authority, which is the same thing). This in itself betrays a diminished capacity for autonomous cognitive function (or for making distinctions between what they have determined for themselves and what others have determined for them, or between what is necessarily true and what is not necessarily true) and so an increased propensity for unprovoked aggression (or wholly unpredictable and unprovoked lapses in comprehension skills).]


This is, arguably, the entire purpose of any church (or school) for extracting human capital.




calohtar
Rayn Gryphon You begin with unsubstantiated claims and build upon them with further unsubstantiated claims, all in service of producing a hierarchy by which you can subject people and phenomenon to arbitrary judgements while maintaining (at least to yourself) the veneer of well founded analysis. However, as I already mentioned, the ideas simply to not stand up to scrutiny. The few passable insights are interspersed among truisms in a matrix compose of a rather petulant sort of egotism that admits no truth other than what the self deems positive and no fault other than what the self deems unpleasant. In short, the text appears to be the product of accumulated whims, retroactively justified and therefore poorly founded and incoherent to an objective observer who does not share in the author's prejudices. It says many nice sounding things, but utterly fails to make the case for those things being valid. In the hands of a better communicator, even this flawed perspective might hold some sway, but the method of writing, though superficially sound in the verbal sense, fails not only in the realm of content but in persuasion as well. It reads as the writing of someone more interested in convincing themselves of what they already desire to be true rather than someone with a firm grasp on reality and can therefore relate their understanding in clear terms to other minds. Perhaps this is overstepping, but I get the striking sense of a mind that is struggling to create an alternate framework of faith and authority for personal use (perhaps out of prior failure with more orthodox frameworks?), which explains the superficial and unsubstantiated claims about faith and authority. As we all know, "You shall have no gods before me," "one man cannot have two masters," dual citizenship aside. It is natural that an individual in the grips of a particular faith would strive to attack competitors despite the apparent lack of substantive arguments. It is not an attempt at understanding, or even really damaging the rivals. It is merely a personal attempt to sustain the faith and deflect the beckons of reflection. For that purpose, I am sure you have the rhetorical ability and rudimentary skill at logic to defend whatever personal beliefs you with you hold, even if you must resort to sophistry to do so. Some people will always gravitate to impressive sounding but vacuous gesticulation to some supposed truth, but those who lack the natural fascination with verbose mysteries will find the presentation totally unconvincing and uninteresting. That is no matter though, because it is, once again, an exercise meant to sustain a personal faith more than an attempt at genuine insight. It serves its purpose well. In that sense, it deserves some measured respect.




Rayn Gryphon
calohtar My Kingdom Come is Psychology (and Biology) 101.

The best way to get out of the wholly unchallenged monopoly upon human thought we generally call religion and spirituality is not to become an atheist or, as in the equally contrived political theater, to just pick a side and stick to it, but to take an inventory of all of the things that you know or have faith that some one does know in but an wholly competent fashion (or faith in any authority) and take careful note of all that you do not actually know by your own faculties and senses, whether it is true or not, fiction or fact.

For there is nobody who is not touched by religion, whatever even illusory (or delusional) protection from religion (or religion) one has contracted for. And that is quite as awesome a fact as any claim made by any holy scripture of religion (or science) on Earth.

Society has all kinds of dreams of freedom but nowhere to go.

That is its greatest genius - and yours.

And I offer it to you for free.

All it will cost you is nothing like what it has already cost you.



Just getting rid of control, while titillating, is only that

Systems of control work so well because they give so many people a sense of somewhere to go. For you and your kindred, that means really defining what you are going away from not toward. To focus on the face of the world is to focus on your face and your heritage, your voice.

I want to hear that. 





Twinkling stars would blend into their every crier homes
And gardens suffered and enjoyed the voice of earth and sky
A strange and eminently graceful form of beauty all thine own
The transformation of forever ever passing by
Commanded by the heir a fortune quite beyond the weights
And measures of a currency that bleeds into the tongues
Of Sun and Moon and Star, of winter, spring and autumn rays
That fight like stems of living pleasure out of winter drums
Festooned the organs of the ear, the fear and wonder of
A child by successions of their graduation from
A past by turns relieved of words of care that could be heard
Coherent as the dawn of day the morning of the Soul
Who, cradled in the home of light and air and mist, returns
An Heaven portents all the paths with which we gleam and grow
The winter and the spring of veins throughout the brain the press
Of pounding forces and their coursers populate the vault
Of heaven and the human mind with stories we pretend
Had any genesis but best inveigled their assault
Upon a child in the womb and in the school of life
So many angels of their gods of mom and dad were conned
The organs of some oddly sweet horrific Paradise
Whose phases ran like faces lived and died upon the face a God
Inhuman voices make their voice to dance upon the keys
Of freedom by the beat of drums of war and former selves
Resort to speaking on behalf of ancestors and thee
Whose native voice belonged to God and to nobody else
As smuggled into smuggled out of its own prison wombs
Whose walls had closed with visions those of prisons in the mind
Converted to the Earth and Heaven swollen with the truce
Advances with its thirst for human blood by every kind -
And I would say that story first began I learned to speak,
My words resounding through these organs through mine organs bleed.




 




Axiom 882 - Graduating from Cybernetic-Industrial Preschool (and every school)




Quote from


Truth, Jung, Atheism and Institutionalized Philosophers (Harris, Peterson)



Rayn Gryphon
+Domas Smaliukas
My kingdom come is Biology (and Psychology) 101.






Domas Smaliukas
+Rayn Gryphon OK, now i don't know what you mean.




Rayn Gryphon
+Domas Smaliukas
"The mind is its own place...."

And its genesis and continuity, the stems of its every voice lay in the sexual congress of our parents, and their parents, and their parents.

And so any science worthy of the name must make some if little provision for the human voice and its heritage and even organs among that of every living system, among every mechanics of celestial biology.

People would be far better served regaling one another with the story of their lives than with the disjointed concepts that have taken over their minds to the precise degrees (meted out by every church and school for extracting human capital) that we have been forced to vacate them and so contract out to all kinds of scientific and religious orthodox of yet incredible utility, facility and felicity whose effects generally tend to inhibit our ability to consider new information with an impunity questioned on pain of aspersions as to our fate and stature or that of our families. 






Domas Smaliukas
+Rayn Gryphon Right. Are you really responding to me? Because i think i wrote some pedestrian comments. Actually I only learned of Peterson today. And you seem to ascribe to me much more knowledge about this topic. Or are you trolling me?




Rayn Gryphon
+Domas Smaliukas
No. You might say that I am angling for a novel variety of human discourse that must invariably press against the however comforting cynosures of even very esoteric modern discourse, something stolen from the rites of heiros gamos and drenched with the nectar of bodies swelling with the amniotic waters of brain and body, heaven and earth alike, something even the most liberal if academic parameters would never knowingly include in their "enlightenment" and nor any religious cult in its monopoly upon human safety, progress or salvation.







"Maybe it was stupid, Neil thought, to place one’s hopes in the architecture of a boat and not of heaven.

"Death at sea was a romantic as much as a tragic tale of the open waves, the watery crevasse across which navigation by sun and star had passed into the past by half a century, cutting off yet another link to a poetry that was eternal."

Paradise Was, Rayn Gryphon





A pleasure fleet as awesome prospect sense or sense recalled
Exchanges as of words of blood a castle in the clouds
Inhabited an heathen people to their blood resolved
A kind of Kingdom Come returned from churches mind and body toppled down;
I feel the pressure of the pulse of skin beneath my hand
Thy breast the most intoxicating compass for the wrecks
Of navigation Man hath made the stammer and the stamp
Of soldiers marching drums another north and south or east and west
The sound of winds upon my skin the breath of thee the tree
The axis mundi roots and branches families of living books
Of voices, laws and stories organs growing even we
Anticipate the living grace of fruits and fluids that we shook
From one another every breath emerging from the last
An poetry a consummation (congress) Heaven and the Earth
Resounding every bloody word escaping from our gasps
And these with lips and winds as pressed upon the flesh as our own flesh returned
This heritage as written as at liberty to breathe
Across the bounds of nature and imagination tastes
For sex and food and drink as vital to the wild as to wean
A child on the truly awesome congress of these wastes
Of earth and sky, of blood and body, suns and moons prevail
O'er the mountains and the sky one holy fertile if infernal script
Supernal parchment only the most ardent lover can assail
Born for nothing more nor any other story on their lips
Begin to spell the very letters never ceased to long
As thee this even faint caress celestial and true
A rite of all conception Heaven and the Earth the song
And knowledge, step and hunger leapt engendered as receptive as the womb
The force of life perspired labours pages from the blood
The very reaches of the seasons spheres concentric as our love.












calohtar
Rayn Gryphon To apply some of my own criticism myself and condense my rambling

1. Perception of truth in communication is predicated on language
2. With sufficient verbal skill, any narrative can be made to appear compelling to a particular subjective perspective, regardless of it's truth content
2.a. The sign of something being actually true is that it does NOT rely heavily on the narrative element to create a subjective framework. It approximates reality as it really is, and can therefore be expressed simply, in ways that can be verified. It is compelling to most people, rather than merely to specific people.

3. An individual with sufficient verbal skill can impose internal consistency on any worldview they want, regardless of factual basis.
4. If this verbal adept individual has suffered trauma by particular archetypes (the military, loss of innocence, faith) he has the option of coping with these traumas not through reconciliation with reality but with the construction of an alternate personal reality that interprets and revalues these archetypes in a way that negates or demonizes their effect in the individual's mind, whole simultaneously imbuing heroic meaning to the struggle to overthrow these archetypes. With sufficient verbal skill, a story can be made that is nice sounding to the individual and boasts superficial complexity, though not genuine insight (usually. There are exceptions, especially in the art world).
5. You

And for this, I will be blocked rather than offered a refutation or substantive rebuke.





Rayn Gryphon
calohtar Actually, I very much doubt that anyone could survive that kind of criticism.

And therefore I applaud it.

Blocked my ass.

You are an oasis in the desert.

You have some skill at composition. You even emulate quite well the didactic meter of your mentor.

That demonstrates a willingness to learn.

That being said, a psychosis (which is what you are describing - and what a wonderfully lurid description it was) is not predicated on the effect that one is attempting to achieve but an indelible impression of the very insult that has already been sustained. And it is not just demonic, true. It is also the voice of wisdom - but only to the degree that it is listened to.

Listen. I think you have heard something. Listen to your own words if not to mine, for they shall guide you far better than I ever could. 






One becomes religious or spiritual because you do not really trust yourself; you have broke faith with yourself, so no one else can trust you. And why should they?

Fall in love with your freedom.

Be a good brother and sister or mother or father to your freedom. Freedom is what everybody wants. Freedom is Man.

I have trained and apprenticed 25 years as a Priest, a Witch and a Bard. I have done my ancestors proud. And They are with Me now.

To enjoy freedom is to define freedom is to enter into a communion with one's whole environment. My Kingdom Come is Biology and Psychology 101.

Sex a holy organ of a Holy Temple. Bodily fluids need be exchanged, secreted, licked, tasted, relished, imagined and if necessary cleaned up afterwards.

Bawdy Pleasure and Childlike Play should one or together form a part of any Holy Temple. To the degree that is does not it is not.

We have all these holy days. Why not Make and take a holy day for your Heart, a holy day for your whole Mind?

We have it backwards. The Mind is no very merciless organ of ourselves.

The Heart is far more merciless than the Mind. 



- See Axiom 883 - Diagnosing Cybernetic Psychosis





Quoting from

Truth, Jung, Atheism and Institutionalized Philosophers (Harris, Peterson)




Henkwich
R34n1mated - I can only speak for myself when I say that I freely admit to not being "smart" or at the very least educated enough to break apart and support or refute claims by Harris and Peterson. That said I can also safely say that even IF I had been able to do so, I'm not sure that the effort required would be well spent on making a lengthy comment on one of their own videos/one where they both feature. For the simple reason that it would in all likelihood be lost in the mass of other comments because people seldom take the time to read and upvote long comments under the aforementioned conditions. Especially if the comment contradicted the message put forth in the video.

I did take note of the fact that you didn't specify explicitly that a response by any of us had to be in comment form (though strongly implied it would be might be a reasonable interpretation). The case would be the more or less the same though. Taking the time to record, edit and upload a video that would garner any sort of attention is unlikely for similar reasons as a long in-depth comment. And once again, while I can obviously only speak for myself in this regard, I bet others more learned than I could feel the same way.




Rayn Gryphon
+Henkwich You appear to be labouring under the idea that you make comments for others.

I cannot imagine a worse hell than constraining our mental growth or liberty to what others will read or even understand.

You make arguments for the very same reason that a baby screams and laughs: to practice fucking talking and by this means obtain the greatest benefits of and avoid the greatest perils of one's environment or, as it happens, some Herculean social contract that would see your native congress (and indeed First Estate) exchanged - though oxygen for carbon dioxide - for a coterie of professional arbiters or priests.

God bless and thanks for all the fish.





Meat Machine
Rayn Gryphon then how about u scribble ur garbage on a napkin somewhere and dispose of it instead of looking for attention on utube lmao




Rayn Gryphon
+Meat Machine Way to miss and make my point. Some advice for the next time you should happen to celebrate some new found insight with a night of sobriety:

If you ignore an argument, you support an argument.

The best way to molest any argument or idea (none of which have any human rights to be sure as shit) is to conjure up a better argument.







7asano5
know it was simple, but jordan was reluctant to change. Sam was saying something can be true regardless if it is harmful or not while jordan kept going back to if it is true and harmful then it is not true. That makes no sense and it shows when sam gives example after example which shows jordan is wrong but jordan just kept wasting time




Rayn Gryphon
7asano5 Agreed. Peterson has the mind of a little boy convinced he can make the world the way he wants it. He is a religious demagogue.




Deborah Robinson
Rayn Gryphon if you are such an outstanding intellect as to see Peterson's mind as that of a little boy, then we really need you to run the world and cure all disease and determinethe nature of existence for us if you have time, many thanks
 




Rayn Gryphon
Deborah Robinson That is where you both miss and make my point. For it does not take an outstanding intellect but an honest appraisal that does not suffer or benefit from being emotionally invested in a given personality who offers the prospect of fixing a world that cannot be fixed by anyone who retains the capacity to honestly appraise the world.

QED

One cannot both fix the world and understand it. The former always apes the latter.

And so to the very degree anyone tries to better the world (the premise of all cults of personality) one demonstrates a lack of capacity or willingness to understand the world, a lack quite in keeping with a Cybernetic-industrial society that succeeds in insinuating itself into and so gaining the god like animation of people of all faiths in direct proportion to its ability in ours to exhort generations of hapless people that they can fix the world - a narcotic delusional psychosis.



Also See

My Kingdom Come is Biology and Psychology 101





Mike Hill
Rayn Gryphon why do you think changing the world and understanding it are at odds? Bacon said knowledge is power.




Rayn Gryphon
+Mike Hill
Simple, Mike. Because anybody who understands the world would never try to fix it, nor retain the delusion that one should or could.

Our physics religion says that one cannot know the vector (velocity) and position of a subatomic particle at the same time.

Surely is it no more esoteric a challenge to accept the obvious - that nobody has ever done anything but make the world more doomed every way they have attempted to fix it. People with that most adamant of delusions are, in fact, as essential as gold to the whole of a cybernetic-industrial society, none of whom ever wish to understand the world because to do so were to be struck a mortal blow to (and thus have to listen to the voices of) one's whole family, a sword inscribed with the as though holy words, "Save the world from yourself."

People who try or allow other people to think they are making the world a better place are the most violent rapists of families, and all the more so because they are convinced in the authority of their god and their goodness.


"Let us be clear about one thing: ideals and ethics are important in politics as norms, but they are scarcely effective as techniques. The successful statesman is an artist, concerned with nuances of public mood, approximations of operative motives, guesswork as to the tactics of his opponents, back-breaking work in unifying his own side by compromise and concession. Religious reformers have often succeeded in bringing public morale closer to some ethical norm; they have never succeeded as statesmen. Even in the theocracies of Savonarola in Florence, Cromwell and Puritans in England, our own New England colonies, the men of God, when they came to power, learned to play the game of power. The only difference between them and others is that, since they had a certitude of having a pipeline to God, they did not have to reckon at all with the uneasy factor of their conscience. The most destructive imperialisms of the world have been those of men who have elevated their preferences to the pinnacle of moral imperatives and who have then confidently proceeded to impose those imperatives on others."

Max Lerner, Introduction to Niccolò Machiavelli's The Prince and The Discourses, Random House, 1950, page xliv


“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)




"It now only remains to us to speak of the ecclesiastical principalities, with regard to which the difficulties lie wholly before they are possessed. They are acquired either by ability or by fortune; but are maintained without either, for they are sustained by ancient religious customs, which are so powerful and of such quality, that they keep their princes in power in whatever manner they proceed and live. These princes alone have states without defending them, have subjects without governing them, and their states, not being defended, are not taken from them; their subjects not being governed do not resent it, and neither think nor are capable of alienating themselves from them. Only these principalities, therefore, are secure and happy. But as they are upheld by higher causes, which the human mind cannot attain to, I will abstain from speaking of them; for being exalted and maintained by God [??], it would be the work of a presumptuous and foolish man to discuss them..."

- Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince, Chapter XI, 16th century 




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Mike Hill
Rayn Gryphon I don't understand what you mean. I don't know why you'd mention the uncertainty principle or why you used those three quotes. I find it quite confusing.




Rayn Gryphon
Mike Hill Of course you do.




jackobthesnakob
Listen to it until you get it. At half speed, pausing and googling unknown terms if necessary. It took me a while to get familiar with some of these concepts and other people they reference, but it's such an amazing experience to understand what is being argued. It's the most novel form of one of the oldest questions.




Mike Hill
Rayn Gryphon you aren't explaining it clearly to me




Rayn Gryphon
Mike Hill Okay. Go ahead and fix the world. Join the millions of people doing that every day. Then in one hundred years or so let's see whose comments make the most sense.

Or... alternately, we could look at the last hundred years and imagine that someone said, "Hey. Don't even bother. You're fucked either way."




Rayn GryphonYesterday
The best you could possibly do is get sphincter reduction surgery so that both you and the world could take more pleasure in your interaction, so that you could really clamp down on deficit spending and government corruption, crime, voting fraud and special interest groups into Stalinesque moustache play and the unpublished works of Edith Wilson.




Ilya Dubovoy
Rayn Gryphon Isn't one of Peterson's biggest messages "tend your own garden?" Why are you being such a douche when most people here agree with that idea and are opposed to the Marxist call that philosophers should engineer the world to their liking?




Mike Hill
Ilya Dubovoy Rayn wasn't explaining very clearly to me the root of his or her view and I couldn't follow along with the progression of thoughts being put forth. Since you study Hegel you should know what my fundamental objection to Marx is. I don't think trying to change the whole world by trying to manage every single aspect at once is practical at all, however as one gains in understanding they are better able to use their knowledge of the world's workings to affect it. This is why technology relies on science. It is similar to the Matrix where by understanding the way the matrix works and taking advantage of its rules the characters are able to do all sorts of supposedly impossible things. Hegelian dialectics could also be applied to this: the world as it was thought to be vs. the way it actually is are conflicting with each other so that the Idea has to naturally evolve beyond its previous scope. It subsumes its previous state (provided that it was accurate) and provides extensions to accommodate and resolve the supposed contradiction, which was actually only a misunderstanding.




Rayn Gryphon
Mike Hill Good luck with that. Let me know how it goes.

Wise philosophers once used to work at a place called Harvard until one day they all left like it was the Rapture or something.

All they left behind was an inscription in the wood with a fingernail. We know this because bloody bits of it were found in the message itself which read, "No matter how hard we tried we could not figure out a way where the inventory could manage much less own the business. Goodbye."




Mike Hill 
Rayn Gryphon do you mean the business of matter itself trying to manage all other matter in the universe? Yes I'd agree that's a futile enterprise




Rayn Gryphon
Mike Hill Lets come at this another way - through indirection direction out and that kind of thing.

What is the most important thing that you own?




Mike Hill
Rayn Gryphon 
"that's difficult to say. Why do you ask?"




Rayn Gryphon
Mike Hill Fair enough. Property (and poetry) is a pretty big part of philosophy. If you own something and it is of your proverbial first estate (as in inalienable) then you should be able to exercise the most control over its employment. We will assume that to save a protracted question and answer period.

My next question declaration would be that a parent has the most influence over the mind of a child, that mind that like the horizon (Horus - Hours - aspect of the mythological agent of human biological and psychological estates already aped by and converted or transformed as in a religious conversion experience into glorified wards of Egyptian cults and courts) must come to arbitrate for their entire congress with their entire psychological and biological environment. 

We are all the products of the use or abuse if the First Estate.

The estate is a place of industry, of the transformation of symbols and elements of more or less functional or fanciful coherence.

So much so that our industry is our First Estate.

- See My Kingdom Come is Biology and Psychology 101

But we pay for that with our industry and in return we get liens upon all our future industry and estate and that of generations, so much so that even a hundred generations of this sees me having to explain this to you.

So I say again.

The inventory cannot run the business. All it might be able to do is animate by magic the delusion that they can and defend this effectively narcotic belief to their very last breath.



"May I venture a guess as to the reason why we still shudder slightly at Machiavelli's name? [....] It is our recognition that the realities he described are realities; that men, whether in politics, in business or in private life, do not act according to their professions of virtue; that leaders in every field seek power ruthlessly and hold on to it tenaciously; that the masses who are coerced in a dictatorship have to be wooed and duped in a democracy; that deceit and ruthlessness invariably crop up in every state; and that while the art of being ruled has always been a relatively easy one, the art of ruling ourselves is monstrously difficult."

Max Lerner, Introduction to Niccolò Machiavelli's The Prince and The Discourses, Random House, 1950, page xliii 

"The other and better remedy [for securing control over a land and a people by any ruler] is to plant colonies in one or two of those places which form as it were the keys of the land, for it is necessary either to do this or to maintain a large force of armed men. The colonies will cost the prince little; with little or no expense on his part, he can send and maintain them; he only injures those whose lands and houses are taken to give to the new inhabitants, and these form but a small proportion of the state, and those who are injured, remaining poor and scattered, can never do any harm to him, and all the others are, on the one hand, not injured and therefore easily pacified; and, on the other, are fearful of offending lest they should be treated like those who have been dispossessed. To conclude, these colonies cost nothing, are more faithful, and give less offence; and the injured parties being poor and scattered are unable to do mischief, as I have shown. For it must be noted, that men must either be caressed or else annihilated; they will revenge themselves for small injures, but cannot do so for great ones; the injury therefore that we [as the ruling class of religious and scientific authority of ascending and descending scales of acculturation and education, injury and conventional modes of coping vaunted as exceptional upon the least provocation, squelching the very voice that might have served as the only credible arbiter between helpful and unhelpful combinations of fact and fancy] do to a man must be such that we need not fear his vengeance. But by maintaining a garrison instead of colonists, one will spend much more, and consume all the revenues of that state in guarding it, so that the acquisition will result in a loss, besides giving much greater offence, since it injures every one in that state with the quartering of the army on it..."

[And all modern ideas serve as advance invading forces for securing subordinate systems of culture whose psychology must cross all rather incidental borders between military, prison, family, social and cult psychology.]

- Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince, Ibid.


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Rayn Gryphon
Our family voice and blood heritage of a terrestrial as celestial mother and father (and child) biology and psychology is our First Estate or an Estate of the First Order by every organ of a flow of pleasure symbiotic with the flow of our life and all life, by every provision for the home temple for our intellect, emotions and every kind of home we wish to conceive of with the most efficient use of our bodies and minds as possible.

Let me tell you a story.

The extent that I believe astronomers or astrologers is to the extent to which they have something to say about the names and habits of the stars. They lose me with anything more esoteric than that.

Astronomers of old may well have told stories of the stars and of our "star family" heritage of sorts, that of star brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers that are our mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters.

Every organ of our sexual, ethical, emotional, mental and celestial temple, body, communion, development and coordination (or restoration), of the very most holy language or Bible of our lives were all part of our First Estate. Use your imagination.

My kingdom come is Biology (and Psychology) 101 that of the preeminent horizon of each the First Estate of our family heritage, voices, stories and celestial biology an horizon the genesis and consummation of any knowledge worthy of the name, the horizon of the genesis, language and nature of the human mind, of our birth and life and death, of our voices and those of our ancestors or star families.


- See My Kingdom Come is Biology and Psychology 101





My life is like a Holy Bible haunted by the ghosts
A mother and a father as Celestial as Dawn
Upon the whole Horizon my biology and those
Dimensions harried by the merchants churches of our gods
Who march as though they don't impose upon the march of life
That flows as well as our own pleasure body, mind and sex
Whose letters bleed with every season organs Paradise
Occluded from Come Holy stories of our life and death
Spelled for the safety and the pleasure all the world a blight
Upon the holy blood a child's voice and story bleeds
These reaches of a mother and a father spoke as might
A mother's very body all that body lives and breathes
Across the gulf the pulse transforming every organ makes
Its moats and bridges, leagues and measures of conception cups
Of all the senses of the Soul a feast and famine sates
Its measures from these pleasures written in (the genesis and destiny) the Bible of our blood
The chapel and the inner sanctum of Her body His
A building pressure all the measures pleasures of His blood and water run
The swelling Sun the shimmer cosmic amniotic waters of Her limpid breasts
A body growing just to serve a Holy Temple's cynosure the One
Who mingled with Her juices currents of their every breath
And east and west electric rivers charges stars and tips
Of fingers, lips and senses the perfume the boundless reaches life and sex
Would fill and be filled by that dawning God and Goddess song and knowledge from the very lips
Of Eve and Adam thrones of crowns of stories in the stars
Our Mothers, Fathers gardens stories voices beating speaking of the congress and the consummation that is ours.










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I worship our future selves. You keep on keeping on dude.



Rayn GryphonJan
Ben Walsh One of the surest signs that someone has lost their voice or even enjoyed its most ignominious transformation into a positively massive nothing to anyone but a narcissistic delusional psychopath is that they have leant their voice and story to a decidedly terrestrial celestial corporate fiction.

Xians call this vocal artifact of mass human torture the Testimony.

Spiritual people call it evolution.

And non-spiritual people call it evolution.




Ben Walsh
Rayn Gryphon evolution has no direction.




Rayn Gryphon
Ben Walsh Life always has a direction.




Ben Walsh
Then don't equivocate.




Rayn Gryphon
+Ben Walsh Meaning (or direction) is an emergent property of apparent or actual sequences of changes in state or estate of therefore subjective and objective value.

From such an implicate order do various professions conceive of transformations of matter and symbol (of stories of cause and effect of biological and psychological import) of varying utility to one person or another and quite apart from any sine qua non monopoly upon our most personal liberty to make our own determinations of what is real or true for us, none of which is necessarily antithetical to any formal system of symbol and logic if it would remain anything but an insult to human intelligence.




Ben Walsh 
Agreed but let us not move the goal posts too much. The non-fixity of meaning may allow little to be said. I use evolution in the narrow Dawinian sense for clarity's sake.



Rayn Gryphon
+Ben Walsh You mean the religious sense, then, since there is no evidence and certainly no mathematical (purely logical transformations) to that effect, though I rightly anticipate your objection to my saying so, and that is fair enough by me.

Myself I am an Darwin agnostic.

That there is no evidence or the fact that evolution in this sense were no better or worse than any article of faith (in authority of one kind or another) no more makes it necessarily true than necessarily false and certainly cannot preclude some great social and scientific utility.


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